Nomalanga: Is Scandal’s Olivia Pope Just Like The Reality Show Chicks?

scandal1By Nomalanga Mhlauli-Moses

On Thursday night, I could not contain myself because I was so excited about the return of ABC’s Scandal. There! …My dirty little secret is out-I watch Scandal. I have to admit, much as I maintain that other people’s opinions of me are generally irrelevant, I do feel some weird obligation to explain why I am glued to the small screen, on Thursday nights, watching Scandal. When I find an explanation, I’ll be sure to let you know. But I digress…

Today, I came across a blog post by Mo Ivory, the Director of Political-Community Outreach for CBS Radio Atlanta and host of “The Mo Ivory Show” on News/Talk 1380 WAOK. In the blog post, she likens Olivia Pope (played by Kerry Washington) to “Joseline from “Love & Hip Hop Atlanta” or Kim from “Real Housewives of Atlanta”” and goes on to say the small distinction is that Pope just wears better clothes.

The reason why Pope appears to be celebrated is that Black people have been starving to see a strong Black woman, on television, that is actually smart, beautiful and accomplished. Along comes Kerry Washington, playing Olivia Pope, and it seems that the call for a Black woman on television, who’s not embarrassing herself (much like most of the reality show women), has been answered. The problem though, is that upon further inspection, Pope does fail to answer the call that many were glad to see First Lady Michelle Obama answer. Just when Black women were neatly and tightly squeezed into a small and rigid stereotype of an angry, smart mouthed, Jesus loving, un-marriable, ignorant mess, along came Mrs. Obama. She stomped all over the stereotype and caused those who had taken it and run with it to question it.

Then comes Kerry Washington, as Olivia Pope…As Ivory points out,

“Here’s the truth: She’s having an affair with a married man who made sure he secured a really good job for her that she has been able to turn into a profitable business. But not before she engaged in criminal activity to make sure he would get his job and formed a partnership with another woman he sleeps with. She sneaks over in the middle of the night for booty calls and has her “yes” men and women to cover her tracks. She keeps a thug around (Huck) for protection and to do her dirty work. She keeps a good guy on the side who she should “really be with” in order for her to claim to herself and others that she is finished being a w***e. If this plot was being cast as a reality show it would be called, “Housewives of America,” “Love & Hip Hop USA” or “Politicians’ Wives.””

So, here’s the bottom line; we can watch Scandal and be entertained by the drama and the steamy love scenes between Olivia Pope and Mrs. Grant’s husband, but if we are looking for a smart, beautiful, talented and moral woman to which we can point when our daughters and younger sisters ask us who they should look to as an example of respectable conduct, we must keep looking.

I won’t stop watching “Scandal”; it has, for me, become my apple pie and ice cream-the once a week guilty pleasure that I used to indulge in. I would eat it knowing that even though I thoroughly enjoyed it, it had no nutritional value and was doing a good job of reversing my weight-loss and health and wellness goals. As long as I only indulged once a week or less, and then maintained a good diet and exercised, I was okay.

Let’s keep Scandal in perspective; much like my apple pie treat, it may feel good to eat [read:watch] every now and then, but let’s not ask Olivia Pope to be something that she is not. She is a woman who seems to be in charge and in control but somehow, when it comes to her romantic life, she turns into a high school girl who can’t control her raging hormones and her impulse to do something that she knows is absolutely unacceptable.

The one thing that I feel we can celebrate is that Kerry Washington has a good steady job that she appears to love. Good for Kerry and congratulations to Shonda Rhimes for putting together a show that is proving to be a great success.

Nomalanga helps Black Women thrive in their lives and careers. She is a Social Commentator, an Editor at Your Black World , Assistant Professor of Professional Studies and the reigning Mrs Botswana. Visit Nomalanga’s blog at successfulblackwoman.com

110 Responses to Nomalanga: Is Scandal’s Olivia Pope Just Like The Reality Show Chicks?

  1. Tell-a-LIE-vision and the media (mindless evil devils in action) use subliminal mind manipulations to CONTROL people with weak minds. I did not know, that this little tool-of-manipulation, called (a tv) has such an adverse affect on the minds of Black people.

    The media networks are principally owned and CONTROLLED by the elite. These tools-of-manipulations (tv & media) are used to keep people ignorant and to show no interest on issues that CONCERN THEMSELVES! All of the programming, which is on the ‘big screen and the small green’ are used to brainwash Black people.

    According to Dr. Na’im Akbar, he says, “that the media is used to keep people of color PSYCHOLOGICALLY ENSLAVED.” He also says that tv and the media targets Black people to DEMORALIZE and DEMEAN them. Jerry Mander, says that; “children witness about 40,000 tv murders before reaching school age.”

    With this information in mind, this is why OUR children are killing each other because ‘IN THEIR MINDS’ they THINK they are not doing anything wrong. After witnessing all this destruction, violence and chaos, which they see in their homes, on the streets, and at their schools, they live to grow-up thinking, that violence is ‘normal’.

    You can control a child’s mind from infancy unto adulthood, especially with the images that our children and adults, witness by looking at video games, tell-a-LIE-vision, listening to sc(rap) and hipslop (hop) music, which only glorifies s.ex, violence, and murder through music. AND, THE RESULTS OF THIS NEGATIVE CONDITIONING ARE BEING PLAYED OUT TODAY BY OUR YOUTH AND ADULTS!

    Look at all these NEGATIVE images of Black women such as, Kerry Washington’s character. She is nothing, but a high class ‘ho. That’s why, when I hear the old coded language, the majority of Blacks use, which is; “pick the lesser of two evils”, I cannot OVERstand, how evil is less, than evil…EVIL IS EVIL!

    Would you vote for George Wallace (who is dead, but was a devout klanner and segreationist), or would you vote for David Duke (a former klanner), so he claims, if they were running for the presidency? TELL ME, WHAT IS “LESS” ABOUT THEIR EVILS?

    Also, what’s the difference between a prostitute, who sells her body on the streets versus a prostitute, who sells her body in a brothel…there is none because, they are both ‘ho’s. A caucasoid wh.ore is called a madam or professional escort worker, while a Black woman is just a ‘street ‘ho, regardless of her status in the ‘game’. Washington’s character proves this Truth.

    The FIRST prostitutes orignated in Rome, and they were the biblical wh.ores of Greece and Rome.

    Prostitution was neither illegal nor stigmatized in ancient Rome, and in fact it was not unusual for an independent-minded upper-class woman to become a courtesan; when Augustus decided to encourage reproduction in the upper classes by taxing unmarried adult patricians, many women registered as whores so as to avoid being forced to marry. (Maggie McNeill)

    Our women and men are only portrayed in the media, as pimps, drug delears, sc(rappers), and so-called gangstas, while our women are only portrayed as ‘ho’s, loud mouth vixens, greedy gold diggers, hipshakers, or a dope dealers girlfriend.

    Kerry Washington should know how to play that role, since she is or was involved with a caucasoid male. Why do our Black women always have to submit, or play second fiddle to white boys; on and off the screen! When a white boy is with a Black woman, he is ALWAYS in first position, but when a Black man is with a caucasoid female; she is ALWAYS before him…images! She still has the ‘power’ image, or position.

    Now, the media is attacking our Black children on tell-a-LIE-vision by making them play stupid, and ignorant roles. They are either with two or three white girls or an hispanic girl, but she is always the character playing a stupid role. She’s always skinnin’ and grinnin’ with no boyfriend, but always giving advice to one of the other characters. And, when she does have a ‘boyfriend’, he is usually a dumb white boy. Remember Save By The Bell?

    Education, tv & the media, and religion, which is the most powerful ‘tool’ used to keep Black people in mental slavery are the chief ‘tool manipulators’ to produce Black genocide. The image of a caucasoid ‘jesus’ has messed up the minds of Black people; xtians and non xtians around the world! Religion is the MAJOR culprit to control Black people’s minds, and violence is used when deceit is ineffective. There is so much violence, and lies in these entertainment centers (churches) and other religous buildings, that people can’t OBSERVE it because of this mental conditioning.

    INTEGRATON & RELIGION HAS MESSED UP THE MINDS OF BLACK PEOPLE!

    • I have a couple of issues with your rant but I will focus my attention of this statement:

      “Kerry Washington should know how to play that role, since she is or was involved with a caucasoid male. Why do our Black women always have to submit, or play second fiddle to white boys; on and off the screen! When a white boy is with a Black woman, he is ALWAYS in first position, but when a Black man is with a caucasoid female; she is ALWAYS before him…images! She still has the ‘power’ image, or position.”

      First thing: We black women aren’t “your” women. We don’t belong to you. You aren’t “our” men and we aren’t “your” women. We are free to love and like whoever we desire. Kerry Washington appears to have a preference for white MEN that is her business. The same applies to other black women.

      Next thing: This is a man’s world…unfortunately. This is the main reason why women typically “submit, or play second fiddle” to men. White men (please give them the same respect you demand…give them their manhood. They are not boys…instead they are grown men), due to white supremacy are in a position of power. This is true regardless of the women next to them. It is the social hierarchy that white supremacy has produced. This leads me to my next point…

      The reason why white women are always over black men goes back to the social hierarchy and white supremacy. Her whiteness trumps your gender as a man.

      Instead of ranting on a blog you might try advocating equality for all. But no you don’t really want equality for all. You appear to only want it for black men. You want racial equality… I highly doubt you want gender equality just based on your rant.

      • “First thing: We black women aren’t “your” women. We don’t belong to you. You aren’t “our” men and we aren’t “your” women.”

        YOU are the exact reason, why Black men, and women are becoming d-i-v-i-d-e-d. A REAL BLACK woman, would disagree with your comment…notice I said “REAL”. YOU are not a REAL BLACK woman, as a matter of Truth, I believe you’re a crazy caucasoid.

        “White men (please give them the same respect you demand…give them their manhood.”

        This statement proves my point: YOU AIN’T BLACK!!! Anytime you want me to beg a cracker for his respect; you just told me, that…YOU AIN’T SHYT! FVCK YOU, and your cracker lovin’ azz!!!

        “They are not boys…instead they are grown men)…”

        If you OBSERVE the majority of caucasoid males, THEY ACT LIKE BOYS when they don’t get their way. Just look how they act toward O’Drama, look how they treat his children, look how they treat his wife, JUST LOOK HOW THEY TREAT YOUR colored azz! THEY HATE US, but as long as, bootlickin’ negroids like you are around, they will ‘claim’ to “like” you, but only if it’s for their benefit.

        “The reason why white women are always over black men goes back to the social hierarchy and white supremacy. Her whiteness trumps your gender as a man.”

        I DON’T FVCK WITH caucasoid bytches! I don’t give a da*mn how pale she is…she don’t TRUMP shyt with this BLACK MAN! Furthermore, I guess you don’t read your True OURstory because if you did, you would know how this caucasoid demonic female devil would cut the private parts off of a Black man, while he was hanging from a tree. She would take them home as ‘souvenirs’. She would freeze them, then use them as a s*x object; henceforth, the Black d***o!!!

        “Instead of ranting on a blog you might try advocating equality for all…”

        In case you aren’t aware of this…caucasoids ALREADY HAVE EQUALITY! Where have you been, suckin’ a cracker’s little pen.is?

        BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR EQUALITY, FREEDOM, JUSTICE, LIBERTY AND FREEDOM FOR 500 YEARS…AND COUNTING!

        Go back to your cave…pale face, and leave REAL BLACK people alone.

        negroid = a chocolate covered caucasoid

        • By the way…I’M ‘JUST SAYIN’

          Ya Dig!

        • Just like with Christopher below I will crush your argument point by point…

          “YOU are the exact reason, why Black men, and women are becoming d-i-v-i-d-e-d. A REAL BLACK woman, would disagree with your comment…notice I said “REAL”. YOU are not a REAL BLACK woman, as a matter of Truth, I believe you’re a crazy caucasoid.”

          Becoming divided? Sweetie WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DIVIDED. Delusional people like you operate under the ignorant assumption that black people are some monolithic group….we are NOT.

          I am a black woman…I”m simply NOT YOUR BLACK MAN. The only black man that can lay claim to me is MY FATHER. If that makes me “less” black in your eyes so the h**l what? You don’t mean anything to me. Next…

          “This statement proves my point: YOU AIN’T BLACK!!! Anytime you want me to beg a cracker for his respect; you just told me, that…YOU AIN’T SHYT! FVCK YOU, and your cracker lovin’ azz!!!”

          Right, because anyone that believes fighting racism with racism is WRONG must not be black.

          Fool have a seat.

          Nobody asked you to beg anyone for respect. I SAID SHOW PEOPLE RESPECT.

          Calling grown men “boys” to make yourself feel better and superior is ridiculous. It didn’t work for white men and it won’t work for black men. Morons like you need to learn that racism and prejudice doesn’t kill racism and prejudice…it promotes it fool.

          “If you OBSERVE the majority of caucasoid males, THEY ACT LIKE BOYS when they don’t get their way. Just look how they act toward O’Drama, look how they treat his children, look how they treat his wife, JUST LOOK HOW THEY TREAT YOUR colored azz! THEY HATE US, but as long as, bootlickin’ negroids like you are around, they will ‘claim’ to “like” you, but only if it’s for their benefit.”

          Actually neither you nor I have the ability to observe “the majority” of white males. The few you run across don’t represent the MILLIONS the world has to offer. Stop generalizing them. I could easily say if you OBSERVE the majority of BLACK MALES they look, talk and act like uneducated thugs, but this, like your statement would be a generalization.

          Furthermore, I find THE WHITE MEN I RUN ACROSS to be masculine, smart, charming and quite pleasant. They are far from “boys.” Again these are the white men I run across. I’m not stupid. I know racism exist within the white race, but it is UNFAIR to group them all under one umbrella.

          “I DON’T FVCK WITH caucasoid bytches! I don’t give a da*mn how pale she is…she don’t TRUMP shyt with this BLACK MAN! Furthermore, I guess you don’t read your True OURstory because if you did, you would know how this caucasoid demonic female devil would cut the private parts off of a Black man, while he was hanging from a tree. She would take them home as ‘souvenirs’. She would freeze them, then use them as a s*x object; henceforth, the Black d***o!!!”

          If you say so…that’s your preference. However, everyone doesn’t share your preference. Next…

          “In case you aren’t aware of this…caucasoids ALREADY HAVE EQUALITY! Where have you been, suckin’ a cracker’s little pen.is?
          BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR EQUALITY, FREEDOM, JUSTICE, LIBERTY AND FREEDOM FOR 500 YEARS…AND COUNTING!
          Go back to your cave…pale face, and leave REAL BLACK people alone.
          negroid = a chocolate covered caucasoid”

          And in true “I can’t articulate a valid argument so I proceed to attack you as a BOY would” fashion you whole argument goes to h**l. Read your ridiculous statement up above and then go back to your comments about “Boys.” Seems to me that you’re the BOY…not white men. You lack maturity. That to me smells BOY.

          Like I said, you don’t want equality for all, you want equality for black men.

  2. My wife dragged me from the computer just in time to see the last twenty minutes. This was enough to grasp the direction and message of ‘scandal’. Here is what I saw: A delusion black woman who believes she has power; obsessed with an old white man in a coma. The wife of the white man is pregnant with his baby (thus ensuring his pure white race and supremacy). The black woman is argumentative and boisterous with her black man/boyfriend (who also is delusional and thinks he has power)….amidst all this, a white male h**o has adopted and caressing a black infant child in a hospital. Seems to me that all roads lead to divide and conquer, black dependency and self-hatred, and white domination. How anyone can say this is not a continuation of white manipulation is beyond me.

    • I have to agree with the summation on this piece. It’s a rather simplified summary of the situation, however it is a fair description of the show.

    • I gathered the following from your summation of this episode:

      You are a bigot, a racist and a homophobic sexist, fool. I feel sorry for your wife.

      • You are entitled to your opinion. And quite frankly, my wife adores me.

      • Gathering from your commentary, you’re not one to speak on racism or bigotry as you know nothing of what they mean and therefore would be ill-equipped to assert anyone maintains those qualifications. Do the forum a favor, learn something and keep your misguided (polite) rantings and pity for yourself.

        • Please, the “men” here are nothing short of RACIST. I call a spade a spade. You idiots are nothing more than jealous wide-eyed RACIST ready to bash and belittle this show because he hurts your self-esteem and pride as black men. Just the shut h**l and stay in your lanes.

          • My pride and self-esteem as a Black man has nothing to do with this show and by this particular fact I bear no ill will toward the writer of the show nor the actors. The article referenced the character and asked for discussion and that is exactly what was given by me and a few other individuals.

            Racism is used to define the system which is used to oppress, discriminate and indoctrinate. Again, you know nothing of what racism is and continues to be thus do not have anything viably relevant to the topic so by all means, take your own advice and stick to the show that is just about all you know.

          • You and the other guy up above are BIGOTS. They come in all shapes, colors and sizes. I’ve seen enough to recognize one when I see one.

          • “You and the other guy up above are BIGOTS. They come in all shapes, colors and sizes. I’ve seen enough to recognize one when I see one.”

            Thus illustrating your bias and ignorance that continue to perpetuate throughout your commentary.

    • I have to agree with Kwame…I watched every episode on a online program we have recently with my husband and a I am a proud African American woman who has went to school, worked for and with white people most of my life in California. I worked directly for white males in my career I must say I have experienced racism and sexism on several levels. I prefer black men and I am married to one whom I love and respect dearly. But, I know all too well the games white men play to have their white cake and brown sugar too. I have had to turn down improper advances from white men who I have observed as behaving like it their fantasy to have a “black woman” and some have even acted obsessed with what has been described as ,and I quote my “carmel complexion and hazel eyes” and I was told I was exotic looking etc… It appeared that some expected me to feel lucky to have their attention and the so called compliment, but more interesting others white men acted as if over joyed that I gave them an ounce of my attention.

      I dated one white man in my life when I was single, and he had an obsession with being with black women. I often felt uncomfortable with him. He told me I should “grow dreadlocks”, and he tried to get me to try some things sexually that I was not willing to do, and he seemed a little emotionally imbalanced. I eventually stopped seeing him because at the end of the day we were spiritually disconnected and morally too. Quite honestly I would not have taken him to my dinner table at Thanksgiving or any holiday and highly doubted her would take me to his family’s dinner table. My family may have accepted it, but it would have made my brothers and uncles uncomfortable to see me with someone who is a reminder of the oppression they often deal with each day of their lives whether at work or going about their business and lives day to day. I just knew at the end of the day I preferred a Black Man, period end of story.

      Yes, I believe in racial equality, but I believe in black unity first! I believe black people need to see less negative,stereo-typical models on television, in movies and in music videos and other forms of media. Barring that,I think the show over-all is pure entertainment but we must realize, our youth are influenced by these type of images and the brain can’t separate fantasy from reality so it takes a mature person to know the difference and to make morally sound decisions based on what he or she may believe.

      If only mature adults were viewing this show that would be different. Parents need to be the first role model for their children most importantly and viewer discretion is advised on show like “Scandal” so parents should take responsibility for that as well. As for adults we know the difference and can make a decision to watch or not to watch. I like Kerry Washington, but i would like to see her become more rounded as the character “Olivia Pope” and mature and grow spiritually and even develop a committed relationship that is healthy with a black man on the show. I think the character she is now draws in a vast audience and makes for high ratings but overall it’s not a good look for her character or for those viewing it!

  3. “NO” Olivia Pope is acting that’s her job! She’s not a Reality Chick! Let’s Keep it moving!

  4. One of the segments in the BOONDOCKS cartoon series…is about Dr. Martin Luther King (coming back and what he sees in our people). He gives a speech about it. Check this out on YOUTUBE when you can. Listen to what Dr. King says (on this video).

    It reminds me of these new “black reality shows” — like “Love & Hip Hop Atlanta” or “Real Housewives of Atlanta” — or even some on the “Jerry Springer Show.” I don’t get the importance of showing a lot of the nonsense, arguing, fighting, clashes, or scandals.

  5. Nomalanga –
    While I understand the whole “guilty pleasure” argument, it does not validate the fact that the character of Olivia Pope is not to be idolized and should actually be someone to understand those flaws and why it is that it could be reminiscent of Black relationships as a whole presently.

    As another poster commented, a Black woman who believes she has power even though it is usually through illegal means, is more often than not belligerent to the Black ex-fiancee, yet turns to putty in the arms and at the words of a married white man. This is fairly indicative of the problems we have within the community presently as we have many Black men and women that just about despise each other because of the way we continue to perpetuate these very same self-detrimental ideologies.

    While I know that this is a television show, it does not remove the influential factor that it has on many minds even if the messages are subtle and well placed. This goes double for those shows (mainly of the “reality” category) that use overt symbolism of Black imagery. It is a shame that we cannot get a show with strong images of Black men and women and have those maintain a long running time or even a following that would be similar to this “Scandal”. I actually liked the show “Last Resort” with Andre Braugher as a no-holds-barred submarine captain that does what is necessary to acquire justice for himself and his crew.

    • a Black woman who believes she has power even though it is usually through illegal means, is more often than not belligerent to the Black ex-fiancee, yet turns to putty in the arms and at the words of a married white man. This is fairly indicative of the problems we have within the community presently as we have many Black men and women that just about despise each other because of the way we continue to perpetuate these very same self-detrimental ideologies”

      The BOLD part of your statement is indicative of the problem you have with this show. I can respect an honest man than one who simply blows smoke in order to save face. So please just come out and say it. You have an issue with black women/white men unions.

      The problems in the black community are vast, but trust, none of them have a thing to do with black women/white men unions.

      • The question you pose that I have a problem with the Black Women/White Male “unions” is a fair assertion. I will simply state that I am not a fan of interracial “unions” largely upon the experiences that I have come across as the Black individual in the union is either taken advantage of or removed from family and support systems.

        I cannot simplify my distaste for interracial relationships to simply the one of Black Women/White Men, but rather all derivations of the sort owed in large part of the societal hierarchy that is perpetually divisive. I respect that you approached with a tone of discussion, however don’t presume to judge based off of a quote you took from a comment. I understand the vast variety of problems within the Black community, however in terms of the relation of Black Women and Black Men to each other, it becomes a bit of an issue of disrespect that stems from a part of self-hatred.

        Regarding anything else on the matter though, I will say that I despise Black PEOPLE, males and females, that will continue to defend white folk at the detriment of their own history and people. No, no other man, save your father and possibly one day your husband, may lay claim to you, however as a Black person, if we do not stand for each other then what is it that we can then stand for? I can tell you one thing, White men stand for “their” women just as their women stand for them.

        • “The question you pose that I have a problem with the Black Women/White Male “unions” is a fair assertion. I will simply state that I am not a fan of interracial “unions” largely upon the experiences that I have come across as the Black individual in the union is either taken advantage of or removed from family and support systems.”

          Wrong. You have a problem with BW/WM unions because you HATE to see a black woman happy in the arms of a white man. It is so much easier to just be honest here. I am a black woman that MARRIED outside my race and I was NOT taken advantage of (and most of us GROWN black women are capable of thinking and taking care of ourselves, which makes your comment all the more ridiculous) and I am NOT removed from my family. Most black women involved in interracial unions do not lose cultural/familial ties simply because we marry outside our race.

          “I cannot simplify my distaste for interracial relationships to simply the one of Black Women/White Men, but rather all derivations of the sort owed in large part of the societal hierarchy that is perpetually divisive. I respect that you approached with a tone of discussion, however don’t presume to judge based off of a quote you took from a comment. I understand the vast variety of problems within the Black community, however in terms of the relation of Black Women and Black Men to each other, it becomes a bit of an issue of disrespect that stems from a part of self-hatred.”

          Perpetually divisive? You, like so many, operate under the assumption that black people are monolithic. We are not. If a black woman takes up with a white man it is NOBODY’S BUSINESS but hers. If a black man takes up with a white woman it is NOBODY’S BUSINESS but his. There is nothing self-hating or divisive about loving another human being who does not share your race.

          “Regarding anything else on the matter though, I will say that I despise Black PEOPLE, males and females, that will continue to defend white folk at the detriment of their own history and people. No, no other man, save your father and possibly one day your husband, may lay claim to you, however as a Black person, if we do not stand for each other then what is it that we can then stand for? I can tell you one thing, White men stand for “their” women just as their women stand for them.”

          Here is the thing: I don’t personally feel ownership, entitlement or a right to other black people just because they are black. Our differences are too vast to ignore. Racism forced us together. The fall of Jim Crow opened the door for us to stop pretending to actually like everyone that happens to be black. I don’t feel compelled to jump up and defend every black man and woman. Supporting each other respectfully is one thing, but standing in the way of another person’s personal happiness because YOU don’t approve of their mate is a completely different thing.

          • “I am a black woman that MARRIED outside my race and I was NOT taken advantage of (and most of us GROWN black women are capable of thinking and taking care of ourselves, which makes your comment all the more ridiculous) and I am NOT removed from my family. Most black women involved in interracial unions do not lose cultural/familial ties simply because we marry outside our race.”

            This explains a lot. I didn’t assume nor jump to any conclusions about your background, however your commentary is very implicit of this particular issue. If you can read then you can understand the fact that I spoke to my personal experiences and not toward all nor most of Black people. In terms of your experience, considering the commentary, I would say that losing ties to your family is the least of those particular worries.

            “Perpetually divisive? You, like so many, operate under the assumption that black people are monolithic. We are not. If a black woman takes up with a white man it is NOBODY’S BUSINESS but hers. If a black man takes up with a white woman it is NOBODY’S BUSINESS but his. There is nothing self-hating or divisive about loving another human being who does not share your race.”

            It is true that Black people are not monolithic? No, so I can agree with you on that one, however this is a difficult issue as the the country’s African American makeup is a minority therefore leading much of the country to consider Black people as a monolithic group or at the very least stereotypical in their portrayal.

            “Here is the thing: I don’t personally feel ownership, entitlement or a right to other black people just because they are black. Our differences are too vast to ignore. Racism forced us together. The fall of Jim Crow opened the door for us to stop pretending to actually like everyone that happens to be black”

            This is one of the sources of the statement, “To each their own” which I can agree with to a certain extent. The differences are there, no doubt, however this does not exclude the similarities nor the shared history and experiences. As per the “fall of Jim Crow”, it is still very much in effect as it concerns to much of the way Black people are marginalized and stereotyped via programs, institutions and media such as the article referenced show. Case in point, BET and the negative impact that it has had on the reception of Black people throughout the country and world to a large extent.

          • “This explains a lot. I didn’t assume nor jump to any conclusions about your background, however your commentary is very implicit of this particular issue. If you can read then you can understand the fact that I spoke to my personal experiences and not toward all nor most of Black people. In terms of your experience, considering the commentary, I would say that losing ties to your family is the least of those particular worries.”

            No, but you did jump to conclusion about BW/WM unions and being that I am in such a union I take personal offense to your off the wall generalizations. Your personal experiences are nothing more than ignorant generalizations.

            “It is true that Black people are not monolithic? No, so I can agree with you on that one, however this is a difficult issue as the the country’s African American makeup is a minority therefore leading much of the country to consider Black people as a monolithic group or at the very least stereotypical in their portrayal.”

            No, you don’t agree with me and if you did you won’t use terms like “perpetually divisive.” Something that is NOT whole or one cannot be divided. The reality is we cannot help the way non-African American see African Americans. They are going to think and feel how they want about African Americans regardless. I refuse to be grouped in with a group of strangers solely based on race. Our differences are too vast to be overlooked.

            “This is one of the sources of the statement, “To each their own” which I can agree with to a certain extent. The differences are there, no doubt, however this does not exclude the similarities nor the shared history and experiences. As per the “fall of Jim Crow”, it is still very much in effect as it concerns to much of the way Black people are marginalized and stereotyped via programs, institutions and media such as the article referenced show. Case in point, BET and the negative impact that it has had on the reception of Black people throughout the country and world to a large extent.”

            Our ancestors had shared experiences. The last 2-3 generations of African Americans are only joined by race. Our experiences, backgrounds, educational levels, etc are completely diverse. I don’t feel compelled to tell other African Americans how to live their lives, what to watch, how to raise their children etc. It is not my place. They are black. I am black. That’s where the buck stops. You trying to pull on a community that no longer exist. The black community is dead, buried and gone. Blame the Civil Rights generation. However, don’t ignore that reality.

          • “No, but you did jump to conclusion about BW/WM unions and being that I am in such a union I take personal offense to your off the wall generalizations. Your personal experiences are nothing more than ignorant generalizations.”

            Already disproven this particular issue as there were no such conclusions or generalizations that have been claimed. I made personal experience references and therefore cannot claim statistical majority. You have no argument.

            “No, you don’t agree with me and if you did you won’t use terms like “perpetually divisive.” Something that is NOT whole or one cannot be divided. The reality is we cannot help the way non-African American see African Americans. They are going to think and feel how they want about African Americans regardless. I refuse to be grouped in with a group of strangers solely based on race. Our differences are too vast to be overlooked”

            Well, regarding your “whole” argument, mathematically speaking, this is irrelevant as things can be divided consistently as with real life. You have Black Women divided against Black Men, Black youth against Black elders, Black educated against Black uneducated, Black wealthy against Black poor… the list continues. As per others’ perceptions about African Americans, this is true to a certain extent unless it is worked on by individuals of that group. This consistent claim of yours about differences is very interesting as you continue to use it, then with the same argument claim that Black men as a whole are categorically the same.

            “Our ancestors had shared experiences. The last 2-3 generations of African Americans are only joined by race. Our experiences, backgrounds, educational levels, etc are completely diverse. I don’t feel compelled to tell other African Americans how to live their lives, what to watch, how to raise their children etc. It is not my place. They are black. I am black. That’s where the buck stops. You trying to pull on a community that no longer exist. The black community is dead, buried and gone. Blame the Civil Rights generation. However, don’t ignore that reality.”

            The diversity of experiences does not erase a shared past and history just as with the rest of the country. The compelling for assisting anyone else is a personal dilemma that comes with a passion of life and therefore cannot blame anyone for their compassion or lack thereof so I’m not here to contradict that for you, however just because you disconnect yourself from the Black community does not mean that it does not exist. The civil rights’ generation is one that I thank because had they not done what they were COMPELLED to do, you likely wouldn’t have the marriage nor the lifestyle that you so readily cling to (You cannot discount this fact). The fact is that the Civil rights’ generation fought for the change in the perception of the Black community as a whole regardless of their differences even though there were stronger forces against MLK and Malcolm X within the community than there were outside the community.

  6. @ Bro D …Halle Berry won Oscar for what? With who? ..Monique win it for what? Playing who? Yet name me the last redneck acting and wh****r acting white actress to win the Oscar?. U are right about what Psychiatrist Dr Akbar’s assessment of the role if devilvision and how subliminally messages are conveyed and disseminated upon a particular viewing public. Remember, these Negroids liked , laughed and paid QT for Django! ! So what do WE EXPECT! !! HOTEP

    • Bro Imhotep:

      Remember, Denzel Washington, got shot in the azz to get that white boy’s fake azz gold oscar! Look what our children have to look up to, as heros on tell-a-LIE-vision, i.e., Homey the clown, another negroid male played a clown in a movie, and the clown was the ‘hero’; this is why some of our children act like clowns because of this stupidity the media projects. Look at Lawanda, who was played by Jamiee Foxx, now he’s a slave ‘hero’!

      You are right about these two-faced negroids, who are crying about this t-shirt, but went and saw Django. They will be the first group of negroids, who will go by a slave caricature to place on their tables.

      THE BUFFOONERY CONTINUES…

  7. I have no problem with her being flawed. I have a problem with her being a homewrecking tramp. (The jezebel sterotype). Why couldn’t she have been an compulsive gambler, successful woman but losing money at the casino. I can think of a dozen flaws she could have had without reducing her to the white man’s concubine. Its like saying” hey world, black women can be powerful, successful, beautiful and strong, but she will still need a white man to put her there and she still will have the need to screw your man cause she gots to have it”. I could even have dealt with her loving and sleeping with the wrong kind of man, single, just no good. That shows a flawed character without reducing her to someone with no morals. I know, I know, its just entertainment. I just wish for once, just once black women can be portrayed in a way that does not always seem to make us ”less than” when in reality we are ”more than”

    • I’m sorry, but you appear to seek your validation from outside sources (television) rather than from within yourself. Olivia Pope is a fictional character who hasn’t done anything any less moral than dozens of other characters on television. The only difference between them and her is RACE.

  8. One more thing, when they first started advertising for Scandal, I was soooo excited. Finally, I thought, a show about a sister doing her thang, yeeessss. Lo and behold when I found out the storyline I was just discouraged. Once again giveth with one hand taketh it away with the other

  9. Let me first say that PARENTS should be the role model for our kids. I love the show Scandal for the beauty, power, and intelligence of Olivia Pope. However, I too, am disheartened by the infidelity of sleeping with a married man and doing nothing to stop it. The writing by Shondra Rhimes is brilliant. There are other beautiful, gorgeous, intelligent, powerful black women on television. Check out Gina Torres on USA’s powerful drama “Suits” as the head of the lawyer firm. And she doesn’t sleep with married men.

    • Suits is an awesome show, very well written. However, Olive Pope’s character is supposed to be complex, and I think her romantic life juxtapose to her professional life is brilliant.

  10. There’s a big difference between reality shows and tv shows that are Hollywood studio productions. Reality shows are cheap low budget non acting jokes that are intended to shock an audience with ignorance and stupidity. While Hollywood productions employ writers, directors, and trained actors who entertain their audience with varoius plots and sub plots.

  11. Sandal is fiction… a reality show is suppose to be real, or that is what the players want you to think is real. And think is just what you have to do. No one person’s behavior should be accepted on face value. You have to study the individual over time before you decided if this person is who you want to model your behavior after. That is what parents should be teaching their children…study, research and accept what works for YOU!

  12. It is a mark of respect to correctly spell the name of the creator, writer and producer of “Scandal.” It’s SHONDA Rhimes. A very talented woman, indeed. Can’t wait to see what her next project will be after her doctor show ends.

  13. It’s SHONDA Rhimes.

  14. This is “FICTION” people. Ms. Rhimes is an exceptionally gifted writer who has given viewers thought-provoking tv. Oh….and just happens to be an influential “black” female. There is no comparison between this fictional show and non-fictional (supposedly) reality ( real life) shows. I am not disheartened by Ms. Pope’s affair w/the President. It shows that this powerful, intelligent character is flawed, and needs to look in the mirror at her life. I look forward to the evolution of the character, and the continued thinking outside the box writing from Ms. Rhimes. Awesome TV!!!

    • Well, I understand the comprehension of the character being flawed, but to call this line of thinking outside of the box is simply untrue. It’s a Black woman simply being the white man’s hoe/mistress again and throwing her man (The Black ex-fiancee) under the bus for him. This is not outside the box and rather in line with much of the recent Black women in film mantras.

      • Olivia simply is NOT into Edison (the black ex) the way she is into Fitz. Every woman out here can relate to this situation. There is nothing more annoying than unrequited love. Edison obviously feels more for Olivia than she does him. We have all been there at some point in our lives.

        It’s not simply about race. Just because Edison is BLACK doesn’t make him Mr. Right. Just because a man is BLACK doesn’t mean he is automatically more suited or compatiable with a black woman.

        Olivia and Edison don’t have any chemistry and their relationship looks forced on Olivia’s part. Sorry! I’m happy she threw him under the bus. He was annoying as h**l.

        Question: Do you complain as much when black women are playing some black man’s hoe/mistress? I sincerely doubt it.

        I get that some of you hypocritical black men think black women should only be degraded by you or you should have a monopoly on the subjugation of black women, but for God’s sake at least TRY to be consistent.

        Here again you try to police black women’s sexuality when IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE TO DO SO. Grown women have a right to love, s*x, like, desire, and do as we please. Terms like “Hoe” are YOUR way of trying to police our sexuality when again it is NOT YOURS TO POLICE.

        • Not that I follow the story well enough to know what it is the problem Olivia has with her ex, however from what I could tell, it was a power trip for the most part. And Edison, was articulate, faithful, caring and devoted, essentially the type of men most women say they desire.

          “Question: Do you complain as much when black women are playing some black man’s hoe/mistress? I sincerely doubt it.”

          Please do not insult my intelligence to believe that you can surmise what I believe and/or don’t believe from commentary. If you wish to ask a question then do so, but do not assume as it makes you look further inadequate in your argument. I complain when it appears to have a degrading affect on Black women and therefore something I would do for Black women in general, not just in the aforementioned situation.

          My cousin (Black Woman) is married to a white man, my brother is currently dating a white woman and my sister is predominantly interested in men of other races, so again, I say please do not further solidify your ignorance with this ranting. I have no problem with love for the sake of love and actually feel as though this should be the case in all the world, however this is not often the case that I have encountered and therefore have problems with interracial advocacy as currently presented.

          Black women have the right to do with themselves as they please just as Black men do, however what I do not and WILL NOT condone is the debasement of each other when “doing their own thing”. If you find love and/or l**t somewhere else then feel free to enjoy it, however do not generalize when you know not of what you speak.

          Final note, I love Black women and will do so to the day I die as I feel they are some of the most beautiful and strong women in the world. I have problems with the way they are illustrated in such manners as this show and others including most reality TV.

          • “Not that I follow the story well enough to know what it is the problem Olivia has with her ex, however from what I could tell, it was a power trip for the most part. And Edison, was articulate, faithful, caring and devoted, essentially the type of men most women say they desire.”

            Edison, the man who CONSTANTLY let himself into Olivia’s apartment and began receiving his mail at her apartment without her consent is ” the type of men most women say they desire”??? I think not.

            Olivia dismissed Edison because he is DESPERATE and ANNOYING. He is NOT the man most women out here dream about. Not be a long shot.

            I have no problem with love for the sake of love and actually feel as though this should be the case in all the world, however this is not often the case that I have encountered and therefore have problems with interracial advocacy as currently presented.

            The problem is your observations are biased and jaded. You try to use your observations as FACT when they are FAR from factual. That is where my issue lies with you and your kind.

            “Black women have the right to do with themselves as they please just as Black men do, however what I do not and WILL NOT condone is the debasement of each other when “doing their own thing”. If you find love and/or l**t somewhere else then feel free to enjoy it, however do not generalize when you know not of what you speak.”

            Agreed.

            Final note, I love Black women and will do so to the day I die as I feel they are some of the most beautiful and strong women in the world. I have problems with the way they are illustrated in such manners as this show and others including most reality TV.

            This show does not portray black women, collectively, in a negative light. It is a FICTIONAL drama not unlike any other fictional drama starring NON-BLACKS on television.

          • @Just Saying
            “Edison, the man who CONSTANTLY let himself into Olivia’s apartment and began receiving his mail at her apartment without her consent is ” the type of men most women say they desire”??? I think not.
            Olivia dismissed Edison because he is DESPERATE and ANNOYING. He is NOT the man most women out here dream about. Not be a long shot.”

            Had you read the fact that I don’t follow the show you’d know that this was a thought I had from the little I observed. In terms of his portrayal though, its interesting to see your explanation as such considering that Olivia’s actions could be seen in similar light in terms of her “devotion” to the president. Regardless, concerning Edison, it could be further argued that the illustration of the Black man as such would be a further shot at Black men in general.

            “The problem is your observations are biased and jaded. You try to use your observations as FACT when they are FAR from factual. That is where my issue lies with you and your kind.”

            Quite the opposite in fact. Whether or not my experiences with Black women have been positive or negative, my attitude has remained the same in support and love for them. Without Black women, there are no Black men, just as the reverse is true therefore illustrating my reasoning for my perspective.

            “This show does not portray black women, collectively, in a negative light. It is a FICTIONAL drama not unlike any other fictional drama starring NON-BLACKS on television.”

            If your previous claim of support by Black women is true of this show then the argument is that the portrayal of Black women as such is supported by their viewership. This is just as it is with Black males viewing or listening to ignorant lyrics of “rappers” that perpetuate negative images of them.
            Concerning non-Blacks on television, the fact that they are not overburdened with the challenge of being stereotyped consistently as media tends to do with Blacks it is understandable as to how television can portray them without bias and we continue to applaud. This is actually a symptom of the situation in Hollywood, however that is another discussion that would likely go beyond this particular issue and waste more time than I care to spend attempting to converse with your bias.

          • @Just Saying

            “Had you read the fact that I don’t follow the show you’d know that this was a thought I had from the little I observed. In terms of his portrayal though, its interesting to see your explanation as such considering that Olivia’s actions could be seen in similar light in terms of her “devotion” to the president. Regardless, concerning Edison, it could be further argued that the illustration of the Black man as such would be a further shot at Black men in general.”

            I did read the fact that you don’t follow the show. However, that didn’t stop you from commenting on it below (*side eye*).

            Olivia’s devotion to the president is reciprocate! Edison’s obsession with Olivia is clearly unrequited.

            If you changed Edison’s race to WHITE the result would be the same (i.e., desperate and annoyed). Simply because the actor portraying him is BLACK doesn’t mean his desperation/annoyance is a shot at black men in general (WTF???)

            “Quite the opposite in fact. Whether or not my experiences with Black women have been positive or negative, my attitude has remained the same in support and love for them. Without Black women, there are no Black men, just as the reverse is true therefore illustrating my reasoning for my perspective.”

            If you say so, but that’s not the way your perspective reads.

            “If your previous claim of support by Black women is true of this show then the argument is that the portrayal of Black women as such is supported by their viewership. This is just as it is with Black males viewing or listening to ignorant lyrics of “rappers” that perpetuate negative images of them.”

            Here is the difference. Black women KNOW Scandal is fictional. It is a scripted television drama. We are not going out and having affairs with married white men. Black men on the other had seem to have a problem separating fact from fiction…entertainment from reality. They desire to be and live the way those ignorant rappers live…again black women don’t desire to have affairs with married white men.

            “Concerning non-Blacks on television, the fact that they are not overburdened with the challenge of being stereotyped consistently as media tends to do with Blacks it is understandable as to how television can portray them without bias and we continue to applaud. This is actually a symptom of the situation in Hollywood, however that is another discussion that would likely go beyond this particular issue and waste more time than I care to spend attempting to converse with your bias.”

            My bias? LOL. I’m not the individual screaming murder about a fictional television show. Some of us are sick and tired of people like you telling us that we cannot enjoy life because the white folks might be listening and watching. We are sick of people like you telling us we cannot laugh and enjoy a good television drama because white folks might be watching and holding us black people collectively. Get a freaking clue already. YOU CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE LOVE, LIKE OR RESPECT YOU. SO the h**l with them.

          • @Just Saying
            “I did read the fact that you don’t follow the show. However, that didn’t stop you from commenting on it below (*side eye*).”
            Commenting on what has been observed thus far is not illegal is it? Just because I have stopped following doesn’t mean I don’t know what it was about.

            “Olivia’s devotion to the president is reciprocate! Edison’s obsession with Olivia is clearly unrequited.
            If you changed Edison’s race to WHITE the result would be the same (i.e., desperate and annoyed). Simply because the actor portraying him is BLACK doesn’t mean his desperation/annoyance is a shot at black men in general (WTF???)”
            Olivia’s devotion is reciprocated? Maybe, maybe not. Given that he is still married and still the president, I’m not entirely sure on this one. As per Edison, the race of the character does play a factor in representative purposes as does most of what Black people do around the country, fictional or non-fictional accounts seem to be taken interchangeably as illustrated by the actions of the president as well as the lack of representation of the good natured accounts of Black people around the country.

            “If you say so, but that’s not the way your perspective reads.”
            Well then, you’re reading the perspective wrong.

            “Here is the difference. Black women KNOW Scandal is fictional. It is a scripted television drama. We are not going out and having affairs with married white men. Black men on the other had seem to have a problem separating fact from fiction…entertainment from reality. They desire to be and live the way those ignorant rappers live…again black women don’t desire to have affairs with married white men.”
            And you can speak for all Black women right?…
            Anyway… entertainment and reality seem to be interacting quite regularly lately, however I understand and comprehend quite clearly the difference, but I know of many others may not have that particular common sense thereby illustrating the danger of media influence.

            “My bias? LOL. I’m not the individual screaming murder about a fictional television show. Some of us are sick and tired of people like you telling us that we cannot enjoy life because the white folks might be listening and watching. We are sick of people like you telling us we cannot laugh and enjoy a good television drama because white folks might be watching and holding us black people collectively. Get a freaking clue already. YOU CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE LOVE, LIKE OR RESPECT YOU. SO the h**l with them.”
            Screaming murder huh? Considering my lack of caps and name calling relative to your commentary, I would think that you’re the one doing so. Enjoy whatever show that you feel is enjoyable, I never said that you or anyone should not or cannot watch what you want, however defending the perspectives that may be underlying is a different story. I have more than a clue and it has served me well, which is more than I can say for the “truth” you’ve been peddling.

  15. As a fan of the show, I agree with this article. there are message boards on imdb, where I had to step back and gain some perspective. The entire car is trying a fictional story, and as a black woman, I’m glad black actors, writers,etc., are getting work. However, I’m not suspending all reality to ignore the under current of the premise of this love story. It’s my guilty pleasure.

  16. @Derrick, I totally had not realized this about lisa’s character on Saved by the Bell. You are absolutely right!!! To think I grew up watching this show and still to this day I still see images portraying us the same way. @Christopher, I agree with you 100%

  17. It’s just a d**n television show! most of ya’ll are mad because she’s having s*x with a married white man in the show. who the fukk appointed her a ‘role model’ when all she’s showing is that she is a human is flawed, like all of us.

    get the h**l over it, black people. it’s a great show and i will continue to support it.

    • As it has been illustrated with most media, even a television show with no reality relevance whatsoever has influential power among the masses because of their susceptibility to underlying messages of inferiority, undervaluing and objectification.

      She has not been publicly declared a “role model”, however given the fact that there are articles where it’s written off as a “guilty pleasure” already confesses to the wrong behind the imagery. You can’t complain about men and infidelity, however support a woman who is verily in the exact same predicament. She, by design, is placed in a position to be looked upon as a role model, however those with the mental strength to not be fooled by such idiocy don’t find this character to be anything other than a modern day Black mistress story.

      • Your rants about the mistress dynamic are a smokescreen and anyone can recognize it.

        Your real issue is you have a problem with black women supposedly fantasizing about white men. “Guilty pleasure” to you is code for “White men might be a viable lover, friend, husband and partner.” That’s really what you fear…not the immorality of the relationship between Olivia Pope and Fitz.

        My issue with comments like yours are as follows:

        1). Why in the h**l are black women, even fictional black women, held to some sort of purity standard? Newsflash: Women and men alike have been having affairs on and off television for DECADES.

        2). You and men, like you, try to police black women’s sexuality when you don’t have a right to do so. Believe it or not SOME black women find white men attractive. That is OUR business…not yours. Who we have s*x with is OUR business. The character OLIVIA POPE is a GROWN woman on this show. She is making her own choices. The same is true for REAL black women.

        3). Television is an escape for most sane people. This is doubled over for SCRIPTED television. Similar to a good book, people watch television to be entertained. Most of us with good sense are NOT so heavily influenced as you keep letting on.

        4). You don’t fear Olivia Pope will be viewed as a role model. Your fear this show will open the door for white men/black women unions as the media plays a part in what is deemed attractive. It has the ability to create trends. I willingly admit the media can be a marketing tool. I simply don’t agree that full grown women will run out and have affairs with married men (regardless of race). However, this show might very well usher in more black women/white men unions and so what???

        5). When women complain about men and infidelity they are complaining about REAL relationships not FICTIONAL relationships. Black women didn’t jump up and scream murder when the black president from the show “24″ cheated on his black wife with a white woman. Why? Because the show is fictional.

        6). Because there isn’t a underlying message of “undervaluing and objectification” you have nothing to fear about the masses of Zombies being influenced by it. Olivia Pope is a WILLING participate in the affair. She is not in bondage. She freely loves the president despite his marriage and he freely loves her.

        In closing, I find black men’s sudden call to morality B.S. Where were these cries when black men were shown in the media with non-black women? Where were these cries when the black president CHEATED on his BLACK WIFE on the show “24″? I smell hypocrisy. Your voices will fall on death ears because this is an awesome show that has won over a large percentage of the black women. We will continue to support this show because it is our right. Don’t like it? Tough!

        • I smell black Misandry. Clearly you attack people who call Kerry Washington a Ho (well she is if she thinks having affairs and being an participant in adultery is okay- and I will call any man that does the same a HO! too) because she decides to sleep around and lacks morals, and yet bring up random situations of males doing the same on T.V. like what is right for the goose should be right for the gander?

          Listen to yourself. Wrong doing on both sides doesn’t do anyone a world of good. EVIL vs EVIL only brings out more EVIL. We need to expect more from our Black men and Black woman anywhere in the world, on T.V. or in real life, period! We can’t let our kids just get raised like this is okay. I have nothing against people who are mixed marriages or affairs. However, lets call it what it is.. SCANDAL is a poor portrayal of Black Woman role models in leadership, and a horrible take on what good loving is all about (which MEDIA CORPORATIONS love to sell to Black Woman and Woman in general). They have BLACK WOMAN (and woman in general) more in love with POWER than FIDELITY, more in love with WEALTH than MORALITY. I can’t tell you how many good brothers, well to do very loyal and fairly attractive, get passed over for good-for-nothing, bad-image Thug guys, abusive guys or promiscuous guys by WOMEN who somehow down the road think they can change them? Is “tell-a-lie-vision” teaching you this? What type a fools would want all of this, and then expect to be happy in the long run?

          We need to demand better people. Don’t take what WILLIE LYNCH just wants to give you!! The same goes with DJANGO (he is not a respectable male role model, in IMO – which I am sure sure every woman will SWOON saying that DJANGO did it to defend his woman, which is different from every other man they see on T.V. (i.e. of course it is, because betraying confident BLACK MEN on television would be a program your CORPORATE MASTERS don’t want you to see, and will dissolve the idea that GOOD BLACK MEN (or men in general) are hard to find), when in reality DJANGO sold his soul to the devil and left his people cold just for vengeance, power and the love of his woman. Ain’t that some s**t! The got us hating our own selves.

          • And I smell misogyny. I will totally destroy your points one by one…

            “I smell black Misandry. Clearly you attack people who call Kerry Washington a Ho (well she is if she thinks having affairs and being an participant in adultery is okay- and I will call any man that does the same a HO! too) because she decides to sleep around and lacks morals, and yet bring up random situations of males doing the same on T.V. like what is right for the goose should be right for the gander?”

            Notice you refer to KERRY WASHINGTON as a “Ho” and not her character. That sir, is misogyny.

            Some of you are incapable of separating FICTION from REALITY. Some of you are plain old DELUSIONAL. Whether man or woman you DON’T have a right to police anyone’s sexuality.

            Is Kerry Washington a ho to you because she doesn’t date black men or is she a ho to you because she portraying a character who is in love with a white man?

            “Listen to yourself. Wrong doing on both sides doesn’t do anyone a world of good. EVIL vs EVIL only brings out more EVIL. We need to expect more from our Black men and Black woman anywhere in the world, on T.V. or in real life, period!”

            Unlike you I don’t expect FICTIONAL television or the arts to be moral. I can separate FICTION from REALITY. If you were making this statement based on any reality television show I would agree…wrong is wrong. But the fact is you delusional black men are making this argument based around a FICTIONAL SCRIPTED PRIMETIME DRAMA.

            “We can’t let our kids just get raised like this is okay. I have nothing against people who are mixed marriages or affairs. However, lets call it what it is..”

            It is YOUR job to raise YOUR KIDS not TV, Film, Etc. FICTIONAL television characters don’t have a responsibility to YOUR children. Writers, actors, etc DON’T have a responsibility to your children. RAISE YOUR CHILDREN AND STOP TRYING TO OUTSOURCE YOUR PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY AS A PARENT.

            “SCANDAL is a poor portrayal of Black Woman role models in leadership, and a horrible take on what good loving is all about (which MEDIA CORPORATIONS love to sell to Black Woman and Woman in general).”

            Scandal is FICTION…do you know what that means?

            Fiction (Noun): the act of feigning, inventing, or imagining.

            Nobody should be looking to Scandal, a fictional show, for role models. MOST SANE PEOPLE GET THIS!

            Furthermore, the character Olivia Pope’s ONLY major flaw is her love for a married man. Otherwise this character is on point.

            She is slim and attractive. She is educated. She is articulate. She doesn’t have any out of wedlock children. She is her own boss. Funny how folks seem to miss those qualities…can’t see the forest because you’re too busy looking at the trees.

            Because this is a FICTIONAL show I don’t expect this character to be without flaws. It makes her seem more “human.”

            And I don’t know what you call “good loving,” but the character FITZ is just as much in love with Olivia as she is him. At one point he even wishes to be impeached so he can leave Mellie be with her.

            “They have BLACK WOMAN (and woman in general) more in love with POWER than FIDELITY, more in love with WEALTH than MORALITY.”

            Again this show is FICTIONAL. This show doesn’t flaunt wealth and being that it is a political drama power comes with the theme. IF women are in love with wealth, power and NOT fidelity…well we’ve obviously taken a page out of MEN’s playbook.

            “I can’t tell you how many good brothers, well to do very loyal and fairly attractive, get passed over for good-for-nothing, bad-image Thug guys, abusive guys or promiscuous guys by WOMEN who somehow down the road think they can change them? Is “tell-a-lie-vision” teaching you this? What type a fools would want all of this, and then expect to be happy in the long run?”

            It never fails. This conversation also turns into the “Ugly black boy’s rant on why he got passed over.”

            I don’t know any “good brothers” who are physically attractive, charming, and successful who are wanting for women. These men are IN DEMAND. They are NOT being passed over. That is the truth.

            However, I do know quite a few SELF-proclaimed “good brothers” who are neither physically attractive or charming. These men are often socially awkward, weird, and most of all they tend to be JERKS because they have been OVERLOOKED by the women they lusted after: The dimes who are WAY out of their league.

            These men aren’t checking for women in their league who would NEVER think about a thug. They are checking for the Lauren London’s of the world who readily admit they have a thing for bad boys. So please kill this same old tired argument. Anyone looking at the situation knows the truth.

            You get what you give in life.

            If you CONTINUE to pursue the empty headed “dime piece” who is only interested in Pookie and Ray then own up to YOUR choices rather than blaming ALL black women for rejecting you. Learn to stay in your lane and stop complaining when the chick who is NOT in your lane rejects you.

            “We need to demand better people. Don’t take what WILLIE LYNCH just wants to give you!!”

            You don’t like the show. That’s your right…just like it’s my right to like it. And Willie Lynch is FAKE.

            “The same goes with DJANGO (he is not a respectable male role model, in IMO –”

            DJANGO is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. He is NOT supposed to be a male role model.

            “which I am sure sure every woman will SWOON saying that DJANGO did it to defend his woman, which is different from every other man they see on T.V. (i.e. of course it is, because betraying confident BLACK MEN on television would be a program your CORPORATE MASTERS don’t want you to see, and will dissolve the idea that GOOD BLACK MEN (or men in general) are hard to find), when in reality DJANGO sold his soul to the devil and left his people cold just for vengeance, power and the love of his woman. Ain’t that some s**t! The got us hating our own selves.”

            Like I said…completely delusional^^

            Arguably the character Edison is a “confident black man” on Scandal. He simply is not Olivia’s man.

        • I usually do not respond to such ignorance, however I have some extra free time in my day and will allow myself the “guilty pleasure” of doing so.

          1. Black women are not held to a purity standard in any form, however a reflection of Black men are in Black women just as the mirror image and therefore it is a problem.

          2. “Policing” a Black woman’s sexuality is not my concern, however considering that the point in #1 about reflections requires Black men and women to stand for each other in order to keep themselves from condescended.

          3. It is true that Television can be an escape, however this does not mean that this escape implies reduced morality and/or negative illustrations. Scripted or not, who wants to be portrayed in a manner that would be reminiscent of something undesirable.

          4. I do not fear interracial relationships, however I fear the continued destruction to the Black community. As illustrated in history, indoctrination can prove to be a strong factor in the destruction of the Black family and community at large based on what is valued and what is deemed attractive.

          5. The discernment between fiction/non-fiction is a rather interesting factor considering that you talk about “guilty pleasures” in admission of knowing it is wrong to find enjoyment in such illustrations, however don’t support it in real life. As per the show of 24, I never watched the show and did not know of the aforementioned experience, however had I known, I would have been upset myself.

          6. There is always an underlying message behind much of what is “glamorized” through media and “escapes” as it has shown through much of history how things have changed simply through media influence. Given the overall lack of intelligence of the American populace, many should fear the indoctrination of the public as it has shown through much of recent events including the recent election in which almost half the country was duped into believing that Mitt Romney cared for anyone other than himself and his close-nit network.

          In terms of any “recent” call to morality, you know nothing of my past endeavors and therefore cannot say that this would be my first “standpoint” as such and thus proven your argument to be null and void. Again, in terms of 24, the viewership was more predominantly male and caucasian and therefore not enough people knew of the illustration and thus not ample support for a “call to arms”.
          The “large percentage” of Black women who watch this show are won over by the fact that she is a “success” with an admirer in the white house. Given the idiocy of your defense, I will put this in terms you can understand. He is the president of the U.S. in the show, if he wanted to, he could end his marriage and be with Olivia as he says he wants to, however he continues to do as he pleases and wants to take advantage of her in the most s****l ways as possible thus reducing her to nothing more than a mistress/hoe. I have no problems with you watching the show or support of it, however do not bring claim that your ignorant rants are anything more than unenlightened, glamorized BS.

          • from condescended = from *being condescended

          • @Christopher

            My “ignorance” is the TRUTH slapping you in the face as I will prove below…

            1. Black women are not held to a purity standard in any form, however a reflection of Black men are in Black women just as the mirror image and therefore it is a problem.</b.

            Black women are held by a purity standard, which is why black men feel so comfortable calling GROWN FREE WOMEN "Hoes" when they don't live up their perception of purity. I don't hear white men referring to white women as "hoes" and I don't hear that from Asian men either.

            Black men are the most REGRESSIVE men on the face of the planet. You are also the MOST hypocritical.

            In no way, shape or form are black women a mirror image of black men. We actually have MORE respect for human life and liberty.

            “Policing” a Black woman’s sexuality is not my concern, however considering that the point in #1 about reflections requires Black men and women to stand for each other in order to keep themselves from condescended.

            More nonsense. You and the others here ARE trying to police black women’s sexuality. That is your MAIN concern. It is the basis for your bigotry against BW/WM unions.

            ” It is true that Television can be an escape, however this does not mean that this escape implies reduced morality and/or negative illustrations. Scripted or not, who wants to be portrayed in a manner that would be reminiscent of something undesirable.”

            Once again, television is NOT responsible for raising adults or children. It is not a gateway to morality. It is not a representation of ALL black people, ALL white people or ALL other groups. It is FICTIONAL.

            You sir, are extremely ignorant. I’m calling it like I see it. The fact that you take a scripted fictional television drama as portraying yourself or someone else “in a manner that would be reminiscent of something undesirable” underscores YOUR issue.

            Scandal isn’t the issue here. You are!

            Then there is the reality that YOU cannot determine what is “undesirable” to someone else. Undersirability is SUBJECTIVE.

            “I do not fear interracial relationships, however I fear the continued destruction to the Black community. As illustrated in history, indoctrination can prove to be a strong factor in the destruction of the Black family and community at large based on what is valued and what is deemed attractive.”

            Yes, you do fear interracial relationships. Your statement above is CONTRADICTORY.

            You fear said relationships will lead to the destruction of the black family…despite the reality that said black family is ALREADY DESTROYED AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS.

            Again, you cannot dictate what people deem attractive or who someone loves. You cannot control any of the above.

            The discernment between fiction/non-fiction is a rather interesting factor considering that you talk about “guilty pleasures” in admission of knowing it is wrong to find enjoyment in such illustrations, however don’t support it in real life. As per the show of 24, I never watched the show and did not know of the aforementioned experience, however had I known, I would have been upset myself.”

            No, I used the term “guilty pleasure” to quote you and your ignorance. I don’t find it “wrong” to find enjoyment in TELEVISION or this show. It is my RIGHT to find enjoyment in anything that is not deemed ILLEGAL by our government.

            Again, there is a difference between fact and fiction. I used to watch the show Dexter. I never thought to go out and become a REAL serial killer. I used to watch the show Weeds. I never thought to go out and grow weed. I like the show Scandal. I won’t go out an have an affair with a married man.

            “There is always an underlying message behind much of what is “glamorized” through media and “escapes” as it has shown through much of history how things have changed simply through media influence. Given the overall lack of intelligence of the American populace, many should fear the indoctrination of the public as it has shown through much of recent events including the recent election in which almost half the country was duped into believing that Mitt Romney cared for anyone other than himself and his close-nit network.”

            Again, just come out and admit that you fear us simple-minded black women will be “dubbed” into seeking white men and thereby destroying your idealistic view of a black family that has already gone to h**l!

            Here is the thing: Black women being “indoctrinated” to seek/love/date/marry white men is NOT a bad thing. It is actually a GOOD thing because their odds of marrying and having children INSIDE a marriage GREATLY increase with an expanded pool of men.

            As a black man, you’re only thinking about yourself, but as a black woman I can see the benefits of black women expanding their pool of men.

            “Again, in terms of 24, the viewership was more predominantly male and caucasian and therefore not enough people knew of the illustration and thus not ample support for a “call to arms”.”

            You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. 24 was popular in the black community and amongst black women too. It may not have been as popular as Scandal but I knew quite a few people who watched it too. And your “call to arms” is a joke. People are going to continue to watch and enjoy Scandal. I’m looking forward to tonight’s episode.

            “The “large percentage” of Black women who watch this show are won over by the fact that she is a “success” with an admirer in the white house. Given the idiocy of your defense, I will put this in terms you can understand. He is the president of the U.S. in the show, if he wanted to, he could end his marriage and be with Olivia as he says he wants to, however he continues to do as he pleases and wants to take advantage of her in the most s****l ways as possible thus reducing her to nothing more than a mistress/hoe. I have no problems with you watching the show or support of it, however do not bring claim that your ignorant rants are anything more than unenlightened, glamorized BS.”

            Given the fact that you ADMITTED to not following the show I will considered the above rant null and void.

            The president WANTED to leave his wife. He said he wished to be impeached so HE could be with Olivia. When the president wife finally left him it was OLIVIA who put the two of them back together again. If the president had his way he would have been left and divorced his wife. It is OLIVIA who stops him from leaving her! If you watched LAST week’s show the president told his wife HE WANTS A DIVORCE. ON tonight’s episode they expand on his declaration for DIVORCE.

            Olivia pulled away form the president. He didn’t pull away from her. She wants him to stay with his wife while he is in office. Dumbarses like yourself should at the very least understand the game of POLITICS. WE HAVE NEVER HAD A PRESIDENT DIVORCE HIS WIFE WHILE IN OFFICE.

            The president doesn’t love his wife and she doesn’t love him. He loves Olivia and Olivia loves him. She is his soulmate…not hoe and not his mistress (his words). She is nobody’s victim. She is willingly his lover.

            You shouldn’t flap your jaws to speak on something you obviously have no knowledge of.

            I know it probably hurts your ego as a black man to know that black women do indeed desire, love and want to date white men. I know it must hurt you to know that the feeling is often times mutual (I married a white man), but you and pathetic kneegrows like you need to get over it.

            Olivia Pope is a fictional character. Women like me, those married to white men, are REAL. NOBODY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME. A black woman is ten times more like to be taken advantage of by a black man that a white man. Black men use black women for s*x all the time. Don’t flap your jaws to say s**t about white men using black women for s*x when you phucking bastards do it ALL THE TIME.

          • @Christopher

            *Fixed…

            My “ignorance” is the TRUTH slapping you in the face as I will prove below…

            1. Black women are not held to a purity standard in any form, however a reflection of Black men are in Black women just as the mirror image and therefore it is a problem..

            Black women are held by a purity standard, which is why black men feel so comfortable calling GROWN FREE WOMEN “Hoes” when they don’t live up their perception of purity. I don’t hear white men referring to white women as “hoes” and I don’t hear that from Asian men either.

            Black men are the most REGRESSIVE men on the face of the planet. You are also the MOST hypocritical.

            In no way, shape or form are black women a mirror image of black men. We actually have MORE respect for human life and liberty.

            “Policing” a Black woman’s sexuality is not my concern, however considering that the point in #1 about reflections requires Black men and women to stand for each other in order to keep themselves from condescended.

            More nonsense. You and the others here ARE trying to police black women’s sexuality. That is your MAIN concern. It is the basis for your bigotry against BW/WM unions.

            ” It is true that Television can be an escape, however this does not mean that this escape implies reduced morality and/or negative illustrations. Scripted or not, who wants to be portrayed in a manner that would be reminiscent of something undesirable.”

            Once again, television is NOT responsible for raising adults or children. It is not a gateway to morality. It is not a representation of ALL black people, ALL white people or ALL other groups. It is FICTIONAL.

            You sir, are extremely ignorant. I’m calling it like I see it. The fact that you take a scripted fictional television drama as portraying yourself or someone else “in a manner that would be reminiscent of something undesirable” underscores YOUR issue.

            Scandal isn’t the issue here. You are!

            Then there is the reality that YOU cannot determine what is “undesirable” to someone else. Undersirability is SUBJECTIVE.

            “I do not fear interracial relationships, however I fear the continued destruction to the Black community. As illustrated in history, indoctrination can prove to be a strong factor in the destruction of the Black family and community at large based on what is valued and what is deemed attractive.”

            Yes, you do fear interracial relationships. Your statement above is CONTRADICTORY.

            You fear said relationships will lead to the destruction of the black family…despite the reality that said black family is ALREADY DESTROYED AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS.

            Again, you cannot dictate what people deem attractive or who someone loves. You cannot control any of the above.

            The discernment between fiction/non-fiction is a rather interesting factor considering that you talk about “guilty pleasures” in admission of knowing it is wrong to find enjoyment in such illustrations, however don’t support it in real life. As per the show of 24, I never watched the show and did not know of the aforementioned experience, however had I known, I would have been upset myself.”

            No, I used the term “guilty pleasure” to quote you and your ignorance. I don’t find it “wrong” to find enjoyment in TELEVISION or this show. It is my RIGHT to find enjoyment in anything that is not deemed ILLEGAL by our government.

            Again, there is a difference between fact and fiction. I used to watch the show Dexter. I never thought to go out and become a REAL serial killer. I used to watch the show Weeds. I never thought to go out and grow weed. I like the show Scandal. I won’t go out an have an affair with a married man.

            “There is always an underlying message behind much of what is “glamorized” through media and “escapes” as it has shown through much of history how things have changed simply through media influence. Given the overall lack of intelligence of the American populace, many should fear the indoctrination of the public as it has shown through much of recent events including the recent election in which almost half the country was duped into believing that Mitt Romney cared for anyone other than himself and his close-nit network.”

            Again, just come out and admit that you fear us simple-minded black women will be “dubbed” into seeking white men and thereby destroying your idealistic view of a black family that has already gone to h**l!

            Here is the thing: Black women being “indoctrinated” to seek/love/date/marry white men is NOT a bad thing. It is actually a GOOD thing because their odds of marrying and having children INSIDE a marriage GREATLY increase with an expanded pool of men.

            As a black man, you’re only thinking about yourself, but as a black woman I can see the benefits of black women expanding their pool of men.

            “Again, in terms of 24, the viewership was more predominantly male and caucasian and therefore not enough people knew of the illustration and thus not ample support for a “call to arms”.”

            You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. 24 was popular in the black community and amongst black women too. It may not have been as popular as Scandal but I knew quite a few people who watched it too. And your “call to arms” is a joke. People are going to continue to watch and enjoy Scandal. I’m looking forward to tonight’s episode.

            “The “large percentage” of Black women who watch this show are won over by the fact that she is a “success” with an admirer in the white house. Given the idiocy of your defense, I will put this in terms you can understand. He is the president of the U.S. in the show, if he wanted to, he could end his marriage and be with Olivia as he says he wants to, however he continues to do as he pleases and wants to take advantage of her in the most s****l ways as possible thus reducing her to nothing more than a mistress/hoe. I have no problems with you watching the show or support of it, however do not bring claim that your ignorant rants are anything more than unenlightened, glamorized BS.”

            Given the fact that you ADMITTED to not following the show I will considered the above rant null and void.

            The president WANTED to leave his wife. He said he wished to be impeached so HE could be with Olivia. When the president wife finally left him it was OLIVIA who put the two of them back together again. If the president had his way he would have been left and divorced his wife. It is OLIVIA who stops him from leaving her! If you watched LAST week’s show the president told his wife HE WANTS A DIVORCE. ON tonight’s episode they expand on his declaration for DIVORCE.

            Olivia pulled away form the president. He didn’t pull away from her. She wants him to stay with his wife while he is in office. Dumbarses like yourself should at the very least understand the game of POLITICS. WE HAVE NEVER HAD A PRESIDENT DIVORCE HIS WIFE WHILE IN OFFICE.

            The president doesn’t love his wife and she doesn’t love him. He loves Olivia and Olivia loves him. She is his soulmate…not hoe and not his mistress (his words). She is nobody’s victim. She is willingly his lover.

            You shouldn’t flap your jaws to speak on something you obviously have no knowledge of.

            I know it probably hurts your ego as a black man to know that black women do indeed desire, love and want to date white men. I know it must hurt you to know that the feeling is often times mutual (I married a white man), but you and pathetic kneegrows like you need to get over it.

            Olivia Pope is a fictional character. Women like me, those married to white men, are REAL. NOBODY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME. A black woman is ten times more like to be taken advantage of by a black man that a white man. Black men use black women for s*x all the time. Don’t flap your jaws to say s**t about white men using black women for s*x when you phucking bastards do it ALL THE TIME.

          • @Just Saying
            Your “truth” is nothing more than your bias reinforced by the bubble you believe is true.

            “Black women are held by a purity standard, which is why black men feel so comfortable calling GROWN FREE WOMEN “Hoes” when they don’t live up their perception of purity. I don’t hear white men referring to white women as “hoes” and I don’t hear that from Asian men either.
            Black men are the most REGRESSIVE men on the face of the planet. You are also the MOST hypocritical.
            In no way, shape or form are black women a mirror image of black men. We actually have MORE respect for human life and liberty.”
            I don’t feel comfortable calling Black women hoes nor do any of the Black men that I know. How interesting you speak on hypocrisy when your argument about Black people not being monolithic is contradicted by your generalization of Black men further illustrating your own ignorance and bias. As per MORE respect for human life and liberty, that is debatable based on individual situation as with all humans considering you don’t hear about Black men committing instances of mass murder (gang violence is not mass murder).

            “More nonsense. You and the others here ARE trying to police black women’s sexuality. That is your MAIN concern. It is the basis for your bigotry against BW/WM unions.”

            Please illustrate where it is that I have attempted to police any woman’s sexuality? How about where I have generalized all Black women? My bigotry is something you have not enough intellect to comprehend and therefore I will not bother explaining such to someone so trivial.

            “Once again, television is NOT responsible for raising adults or children. It is not a gateway to morality. It is not a representation of ALL black people, ALL white people or ALL other groups. It is FICTIONAL.”

            I agree, however this isn’t always the case. Poverty being what it is can limit a parent’s ability to actually do what it is their name implies.

            “Scandal isn’t the issue here. You are!
            Then there is the reality that YOU cannot determine what is “undesirable” to someone else. Undersirability is SUBJECTIVE.”

            Well, I do not know how I became the issue as I did not make myself the important factor here.

            “Yes, you do fear interracial relationships. Your statement above is CONTRADICTORY.
            You fear said relationships will lead to the destruction of the black family…despite the reality that said black family is ALREADY DESTROYED AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS.
            Again, you cannot dictate what people deem attractive or who someone loves. You cannot control any of the above.”

            Please assist me in understanding this particular issue as I have not stated that any interracial relationships have in any manner intimidated me into fearing the destruction of the Black family. My claim is that the continued perspective that is maintained by people of your IQ level is bound to lead to a place where the devalued place of each other will lead to the eventual elimination of the Black community.

            “Here is the thing: Black women being “indoctrinated” to seek/love/date/marry white men is NOT a bad thing. It is actually a GOOD thing because their odds of marrying and having children INSIDE a marriage GREATLY increase with an expanded pool of men.
            As a black man, you’re only thinking about yourself, but as a black woman I can see the benefits of black women expanding their pool of men.”

            I agree that expanding the pool of men for Black women to date will greatly increase their odds of finding what it is that they may be searching for. Nowhere in my commentary have I stated otherwise and find this to be rather unnecessary inclusion.
            As a Black Man, I see myself marrying a Black woman, not just because she is Black, but because she is beautiful, strong, intelligent and shares experiences that could very well mimic mine thereby illustrating our compatibility beforehand.

            “Olivia Pope is a fictional character. Women like me, those married to white men, are REAL. NOBODY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME. A black woman is ten times more like to be taken advantage of by a black man that a white man. Black men use black women for s*x all the time. Don’t flap your jaws to say s**t about white men using black women for s*x when you phucking bastards do it ALL THE TIME.”

            Olivia is a fictional character, but that does not detract from real issues. I never said that you were taken advantage of and as far as the “statistics” you claim, the reverse claim is actually true, however I won’t argue with someone so blinded and ignorant.
            Finally, you do not know me, nor any of the men that I associate with so you should attempt to take your own advice and realize that not all Black men are the same either. You have easily shown yourself to be the self-hating, biased bigot that you have accused myself and others of being. Please do yourself a favor and keep the ignorance to yourself. I sincerely doubt that you are a Black woman, however given the defense you have concocted, you may very well be.

          • @Christopher

            “Your “truth” is nothing more than your bias reinforced by the bubble you believe is true.”

            Funny thing is my truth is kicking you in your a*s up and down this comment section.

            “I don’t feel comfortable calling Black women hoes nor do any of the Black men that I know. How interesting you speak on hypocrisy when your argument about Black people not being monolithic is contradicted by your generalization of Black men further illustrating your own ignorance and bias. As per MORE respect for human life and liberty, that is debatable based on individual situation as with all humans considering you don’t hear about Black men committing instances of mass murder (gang violence is not mass murder).”

            Obviously you feel d**n comfortable calling black women hoes because you called the character Olivia Pope who is portrayed by a black actress a Hoe up above. Re-read YOUR comments.

            I can point to THOUSANDS of examples of BLACK MEN referring to BLACK WOMEN as Hoes in the media. Do you really want to challenge me on that one??? Seriously, that’s not a generalization. It is a fact. We can go to ANY black male dominated forum and read the word HOE over and over again in reference to black women. Trust me, you don’t want to challenge me on that one. Even the moron, CRACKERJACK, up above refers to KERRY (not Olivia, but KERRY) as a hoe.

            This is all an example of 1). Policing black women’s sexuality 2). Sexism and 3). The unfair purity standard black women are held up against by a race of men who have NO RIGHT to expect such purity given their own s****l habits.

            We don’t need to hear about black men committing mass murder when they commit individual murders EVERYDAY in places like Chicago, Detroit, Philly etc. Black men might not shoot up classrooms but they sure as h**l shoot up NEIGHBORHOODS. WHOLE CITIES have been turned upside thanks to black men’s lack of RESPECT for humanity. Again, you don’t want me to start posting links. I will kill this argument with ONE Google search on crime stats.

            “Please illustrate where it is that I have attempted to police any woman’s sexuality? How about where I have generalized all Black women?”

            Here you go: “It’s a Black woman simply being the white man’s hoe/mistress again and throwing her man (The Black ex-fiancee) under the bus for him. “

            ^^^^That is policing. This Fictional GROWN woman (and GROWN man) is acting of her own free constitutional right to LIVE yet you take it as a personal affront to yourself and try to police her sexuality with terms like HOE.

            Where you generalized all black women: “She has not been publicly declared a “role model”, however given the fact that there are articles where it’s written off as a “guilty pleasure” already confesses to the wrong behind the imagery. You can’t complain about men and infidelity, however support a woman who is verily in the exact same predicament.”

            ^^^This statement up above was aimed at ALL black women right? Though every black women 1). Doesn’t watch this show 2). Doesn’t approve of the relationship between Fitz/Olivia or 3). Views her as a “role model.”

            “My bigotry is something you have not enough intellect to comprehend and therefore I will not bother explaining such to someone so trivial.”

            Your bigotry smells just like any other bigots bigotry. It stinks. It doesn’t take a genius to smell a rotten egg.

            “I agree, however this isn’t always the case. Poverty being what it is can limit a parent’s ability to actually do what it is their name implies.”

            Wrong! I know too many GOOD poor parents to buy into this bull. Scandal comes on at 10PM…your children should be in the bed at that time and NOT watching Scandal. I highly doubt children are sitting around watching Scandal.

            “Well, I do not know how I became the issue as I did not make myself the important factor here.”

            You made yourself and your taste the important factor here when you made this statement: “Scripted or not, who wants to be portrayed in a manner that would be reminiscent of something undesirable.”

            ^^Again, desirability is SUBJECTIVE.

            “Please assist me in understanding this particular issue as I have not stated that any interracial relationships have in any manner intimidated me into fearing the destruction of the Black family. My claim is that the continued perspective that is maintained by people of your IQ level is bound to lead to a place where the devalued place of each other will lead to the eventual elimination of the Black community.”

            I need you to go back and read your own statement jackass. Seriously. Here is your nonsense repeated: ““I do not fear interracial relationships, however I fear the continued destruction to the Black community. As illustrated in history, indoctrination can prove to be a strong factor in the destruction of the Black family and community at large based on what is valued and what is deemed attractive.”

            “I agree that expanding the pool of men for Black women to date will greatly increase their odds of finding what it is that they may be searching for. Nowhere in my commentary have I stated otherwise and find this to be rather unnecessary inclusion.”

            Glad we on agree on something.

            “As a Black Man, I see myself marrying a Black woman, not just because she is Black, but because she is beautiful, strong, intelligent and shares experiences that could very well mimic mine thereby illustrating our compatibility beforehand.”

            Good luck to you.

            “Olivia is a fictional character, but that does not detract from real issues. I never said that you were taken advantage of and as far as the “statistics” you claim, the reverse claim is actually true, however I won’t argue with someone so blinded and ignorant.”

            You won’t argue with me because you can’t. Again here is your statement: “I will simply state that I am not a fan of interracial “unions” largely upon the experiences that I have come across as the Black individual in the union is either taken advantage of or removed from family and support systems.”

            “Finally, you do not know me, nor any of the men that I associate with so you should attempt to take your own advice and realize that not all Black men are the same either. You have easily shown yourself to be the self-hating, biased bigot that you have accused myself and others of being. Please do yourself a favor and keep the ignorance to yourself. I sincerely doubt that you are a Black woman, however given the defense you have concocted, you may very well be.”

            Thing is I’ve had my own experiences and in those experiences I have found that men that express opinions such as yours, Crackerjack and others here are close-minded, unattractive, not likeable, and ignorant as h**l.

            YOU have referred Olivia Pope as a “Hoe” over and over again yet you considered yourself some type of enlightened black man. Get the h**l out of here. You have proven many of my accusations and generalizations about black men CORRECT in these comments. Yet you seemingly cannot see it.

            I’m sorry to inform you, but interracial relationships are HERE to STAY. Don’t like it…don’t watch it.

          • @Just Saying
            “Funny thing is my truth is kicking you in your a*s up and down this comment section.”
            That’s funny because all I see is misconceptions and bias that continue to make this “truth” of yours laughable.

            “Obviously you feel d**n comfortable calling black women hoes because you called the character Olivia Pope who is portrayed by a black actress a Hoe up above. Re-read YOUR comments.”
            I read my comments over before I posted them and referred to the character portrayal as a hoe, not the actress, nor a generalization of Black women as such thus illustrating my claim.

            “I can point to THOUSANDS of examples of BLACK MEN referring to BLACK WOMEN as Hoes in the media. Do you really want to challenge me on that one??? Seriously, that’s not a generalization. It is a fact. We can go to ANY black male dominated forum and read the word HOE over and over again in reference to black women. Trust me, you don’t want to challenge me on that one. Even the moron, CRACKERJACK, up above refers to KERRY (not Olivia, but KERRY) as a hoe.”
            I have not accounted for the words of any other Black males as you have discounted yourself from the Black community (or rather discounted the Black community in general). As per Crackerjack, I don’t know him nor defend his assertion thus do not have anything to add to this.

            “This is all an example of 1). Policing black women’s sexuality 2). Sexism and 3). The unfair purity standard black women are held up against by a race of men who have NO RIGHT to expect such purity given their own s****l habits.”
            I think that we need to come to an agreement as to what the term “policing” means because there is no issuance of consequences nor denial of her right to continue said actions therefore would only fall under the definition of commenting on said actions. Sexism is discriminatory against women for something that doesn’t do the same for men and that is not what is going on as I have already stated that Black men in similar positions are equally as guilty therefore eliminates the sexist aspect of the issue. Unfair purity standard? I’d say that would be associated with women in general, not just Black women.

            “We don’t need to hear about black men committing mass murder when they commit individual murders EVERYDAY in places like Chicago, Detroit, Philly etc. Black men might not shoot up classrooms but they sure as h**l shoot up NEIGHBORHOODS. WHOLE CITIES have been turned upside thanks to black men’s lack of RESPECT for humanity. Again, you don’t want me to start posting links. I will kill this argument with ONE Google search on crime stats.”
            Individual murders do not account for the number of murders throughout the country. Certain cities are less safe owed to the lack of respect for life by a number of individuals of many different races, not just Black males. Given crime statistics on Black individuals, the largest amount of incarcerated crime is petty drug charges that are discriminative in their implementation.

            “Here you go: “It’s a Black woman simply being the white man’s hoe/mistress again and throwing her man (The Black ex-fiancee) under the bus for him. “
            ^^^^That is policing. This Fictional GROWN woman (and GROWN man) is acting of her own free constitutional right to LIVE yet you take it as a personal affront to yourself and try to police her sexuality with terms like HOE.”
            I think that we need to come to an agreement as to what the term “policing” means because there is no issuance of consequences nor denial of her right to continue said actions therefore would only fall under the definition of commenting on said actions.

            “Where you generalized all black women: “She has not been publicly declared a “role model”, however given the fact that there are articles where it’s written off as a “guilty pleasure” already confesses to the wrong behind the imagery. You can’t complain about men and infidelity, however support a woman who is verily in the exact same predicament.”
            ^^^This statement up above was aimed at ALL black women right? Though every black women 1). Doesn’t watch this show 2). Doesn’t approve of the relationship between Fitz/Olivia or 3). Views her as a “role model.””
            There is no definitive or implicit reference to all women of any race or background. It was and remains a reference to the articles and those who support the show, not to those who do not therefore reiterating the fallacy of your argument.

            “Wrong! I know too many GOOD poor parents to buy into this bull. Scandal comes on at 10PM…your children should be in the bed at that time and NOT watching Scandal. I highly doubt children are sitting around watching Scandal.”
            So your argument is that you know too many good poor parents? Well, considering how you discounted my personal experience, it would be fair to do the same to you, right? (Read my above statement about my personal experiences in regards to interracial relationships) Even if I am to take your personal experiences into account, there are situations that you do not cover which are included within poverty such as single parent families of children with shows of negative imagery that come on before bedtime as well so this point is irrelevant.

            “You made yourself and your taste the important factor here when you made this statement: “Scripted or not, who wants to be portrayed in a manner that would be reminiscent of something undesirable.”
            ^^Again, desirability is SUBJECTIVE.”
            True, however given the historical implications of indoctrination when it comes to the hierarchy of society and what it is held in esteem as far as admiration, it develops a societal sense of desirable thus illustrating the influence media, fashion and hierarchy in terms of desirability. This is most evident in the fashion realm where the more white, slender and blonde the woman is, the consensus is that she is more attractive.

            “I need you to go back and read your own statement jackass. Seriously. Here is your nonsense repeated: ““I do not fear interracial relationships, however I fear the continued destruction to the Black community. As illustrated in history, indoctrination can prove to be a strong factor in the destruction of the Black family and community at large based on what is valued and what is deemed attractive.””
            As you seem adept at misunderstanding and misinterpretations, I will try and explain this to you simply. Interracial relationships are not what is feared, but the mindset (which you seem determined to perpetuate) of devaluation of each other as Black people. Just because you date and/or marry interracially does not implicate the worthlessness of Black people, however as it appears via your “testimony” it would seem as though you consider this to be fact.

            “Glad we on agree on something.”
            We agree on a very few things, however your hypocrisy and self-hate for Black has ultimately proven that your mentality is something very close to the very thing I have argued.

            “Good luck to you.”
            While inflection and intention are not translated within text very well, I will say thank you for the wishes.

            “You won’t argue with me because you can’t. Again here is your statement: “I will simply state that I am not a fan of interracial “unions” largely upon the experiences that I have come across as the Black individual in the union is either taken advantage of or removed from family and support systems.””
            As was stated earlier, this is a personal experience and therefore has not classified generally as a global statistic. If you would like to argue personal experience then that in and of itself is another discussion and not something I have time for with someone of such comprehension ineptitude.

            “YOU have referred Olivia Pope as a “Hoe” over and over again yet you considered yourself some type of enlightened black man. Get the h**l out of here. You have proven many of my accusations and generalizations about black men CORRECT in these comments. Yet you seemingly cannot see it.
            I’m sorry to inform you, but interracial relationships are HERE to STAY. Don’t like it…don’t watch it.”

            I have referred to the character as a hoe. This does not relate to a lack of enlightenment nor distaste for Black women either as she is fictional (therefore not a real black woman as you seem very capable of reminding me). You seem very adept as misstating things that are beyond your comprehension so I will do it for you. I am a Black Man with nothing but love for Black women, have found myself a number of good Black women that I have been able to share many positive life experiences with and thus nothing short of attractive therefore illustrating my distaste for the portrayal of them as anything less than. I am not a criminal nor have I had any criminal background experiences. I have a bachelor’s degree in engineering with plans on marrying a Black woman and creating a family within it. All your stereotypes and generalizations have NOTHING to do with me or any of the men I associate with and I really hope that your mentality is not inherited otherwise your children are in for some trouble. Sidenote: I stopped watching the show a while ago as hinted at by the fact I don’t follow the story.

            “Thing is I’ve had my own experiences and in those experiences I have found that men that express opinions such as yours, Crackerjack and others here are close-minded, unattractive, not likeable, and ignorant as h**l.”
            Well, as per my experiences, there are not many men that are like me and therefore your assertion is as such asinine as yourself and your mentality of assumptions and entitlement. I have met and known a number of women just like you and have found a number of things common, however I don’t need to reiterate them as you have shown them in vast and undeniable fashion. Not that I owe you or anyone anymore explanations, however I have had many Black women who have known me who have thanked me for my help in their lives with personal and professional experiences as well as received love in return for the love I have given. Given your disposition, I can understand why you don’t like me and because it makes you revisit the actual definition of a man that you seem inept at comprehending as is the commonplace theme of your mentality.

  18. Very intriguing show, but in the final analysis, Olivia has very unrealistic power, and she’s a secret hide-a-way “bedwarmer” for her masaah, just like back in the slavery days. The more things change, the more they stay the same. It’s called “modern day slavery.” It’s dressed up a little better, but it’s still the same ole Maslow’s hierarchy and the world isn’t rolling over and bowing to no Olivia Popes in the manner portrayed on this steamy and interesting overture into the bedrooms of under cover interracial affairs comparable to the Thomas Jefferson, Sally Hemmings paridigm, no matter how candy ooated and captivatingly steamy it is on screen for the first time. And the beat goes on.

    • I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, my problem is not with the show on its own. My problem is with the limited number and scope of roles out there for Black actors AND actresses. When there aren’t many Blacks in movie and television roles and the few that are are portrayed in this fashion, I find it problematic, and my sentiment is echoed throughout Black Hollywood… Like I say, I have no problem with the show, or the character Washington portrays. Just as I wouldn’t have a problem with Sharon Stone’s character on Casino. The difference between Stone and Washington is that Stone is one of literally hundreds of white character types. Black actresses don’t have that luxury. Black women are usually portrayed as mammies, the help, a jezebel, overly aggressive, rude, loud. I’d argue that 75-90% of the Black Women on TV not named Michelle Obama fit into at least one of those portrayals…

      The biggest problem with all of this is that our portrayal is getting worse the more “powerful” we seem to be getting in Hollywood. Black written, directed, produced shows are cooning harder than ever it seems… The same can be said for the music industry.

    • @Joia

      As much as people like you hate to admit this it still remains FACT: You are NOT a slave. White men are not “masaah” and Oliva Pope is Fictional. Digest these facts and seek help.

  19. Why black women love the Show Scandal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-NhXL873M

  20. Just like an updated rendition of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings. Lack of respect lots of lusts, no honor!

  21. Olivia Pope is the woman self assured men would want in their lives.

  22. Correction……..President Grant seeks over to Olivia’ flat for the bootie call… I too am hooked.

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